A wakened by the slam of his parents’ car door, he rubs his weary 5-year-old eyes in the shadow-filled backseat as his mother, behind the wheel, restarts the motor. The year is 1966. Through the car’s back window, young Byron Allen focuses on his uniformed father, silhouetted in the dark by the pathway lights, falling in step with his union comrades. It’s 11:45 p.m., moments before the night shift begins at the behemoth structure ahead, the Ford Motor Co. factory in Detroit, Michigan.
Byron’s maternal grandfather was a union man as well, working for Great Lakes Steel for over 30 years. It’s no wonder that Byron assumed that he, too, would one day become a blue-collar man. And why not? It was the ‘60s. Detroit was a factory town that made “cars for the world … and music for the world. Motown … It was magical,” he recalls.
Growing up in an industrial town instilled in Byron the values that would propel his life’s path.
“I saw this incredible work ethic,” he says. “It’s a part of my DNA.”
He would know. A self-made media mogul of legendary success, Byron’s story is not only astonishing, it’s awe-inspiring and indisputably unique. Beginning as a stand-up comedian and evolving into a modern-day television “industrialist,” his rags-to-riches journey is one of extraordinary ambition, ingenuity, courage, strength and creative talent, and it reflects his keen understanding of “the business of show.”
The global media conglomerate, Allen Media Group (AMG), of which Byron is the founder, chairman and chief executive officer, owns/operates 27 ABC-NBC-CBS-FOX network affiliate broadcast television stations in 21 U.S. markets and ten 24-hour HD television networks, including The Weather Channel, serving nearly 300 million subscribers. Headquartered in Los Angeles, with offices in New York and Atlanta, Byron not only produces and distributes Emmy Award-winning and nominated shows, but he also distributes and sells advertising for 74 television programs from one of the largest libraries and advertiser-friendly lifestyle content collections in the world. Focused on free, ad-supported streaming that leverages his existing media assets with hyper-local news, weather, sports and traffic information, Byron is heavily invested in digital streaming platforms with HBCU GO, Local Now, TheGrio and Sports.TV. Moreover, AMG is the first African American-owned multiplatform media company producing and distributing wide-release motion pictures and content for all platforms.
Three-time Mayor of Beverly Hills Lili Bosse, herself a legendary figure in the city, has this to say about her friend and fellow resident.
“Byron is one of the most extraordinary people I know. He is a true trailblazer, visionary and a force of nature. We are kindred spirits, as we share the same life philosophy to start with ‘yes’ and then figure out how. He is a loving family man and has a wickedly funny sense of humor. Byron is someone who can make anything happen, envisioning possibilities that most can’t even dream of. He is bold, innovative, fearless, and mark my words, light-years ahead of our time,” says Bosse.
Described in the press as a self-made billionaire, Byron catapulted from comic to media titan as a Black businessman in the white-dominated media mogul world. An honorable man filled with courage and conviction, Byron uses his earned platform to advocate for civil rights and philanthropic causes in an effort to effect positive change.
So how did this purposeful and passionate man from Detroit accomplish such a feat, and how is he leading going forward in the evolving media landscape? I set out to find the answers.
We met at the swanky Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Byron swooped in, sprinted through the field of hostess greetings and quickly directed them to lead us to a luxurious booth. Once there, he quickly and charismatically took control of the conversation, curiously diving in about the Courier’s circulation and digital capabilities. His intensity was penetrating; his expertise was invigorating. Within minutes, he left the table, requesting we move outside to improve the audible experience.
Situated in the back booth of the garden, the who’s who of the L.A. business community found their way to greet him, each one with a friendly “inside” comment or story. After a moment, he signaled me to turn on my recorder.
“Is it true you learned how to roller-skate before you could walk?” I asked.
“Back in Detroit, my grandfather and my grandmother on my father’s side built and owned the RollerCade Roller Rink on Schafer, and they controlled the cash register,” he answered.
From a young age, Byron understood the power of ownership and job creation. Beginning at age 6, he had the job of “floor guard” while his slightly older cousins managed the record player. Byron would stand in the center, surveying the rink, waiting for a slip and fall. The second someone did, he would blow his big whistle, signaling his cousins to stop the music to prevent a dangerous “stack up.” On special nights at the RollerCade, live music acts would appear, sent over from Motown, to familiarize the singers with performing and the community with the singers. Smokey Robinson, Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder, The Temptations and Marvin Gaye were some of the regulars.
“I’ve known Stevie Wonder and Smokey Robinson since I was a kid back in Detroit,” he says.
One day, Byron’s mother, Carolyn, and his grandmother, Eddie Mae, took Byron and his four years older uncle, who today is AMG’s Chief Operating Officer, on a ride to “see where the rich people live.”

Impressionable young Byron was captivated by the magnificent mansions set on pristine grounds, homes of the Ford family, the Goodyear family and the Chrysler family. His grandmother proudly shared that she and many of her friends from their neighborhood had been “domestics” in the big estates they drove by. It piqued his curiosity, wondering how they became rich. The last sighting was Berry Gordy’s estate. Byron stared in disbelief.
He said to his mother, “He [Gordy] lives over here with all of these super rich white people, and I’m walking 30 minutes to the community pool?” His grandmother chimed in, “He’s got one in his house, and a bowling alley, too!”
The next eye-opener came a few months later in April 1968. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated. Riots broke out all over America, and the military immediately took over Byron’s neighborhood.
“I was looking down the barrel of a tank in my neighborhood as a 7-year-old. That was the moment I lost my innocence; I lost my childhood. I became a child of war. I realized that America looked at me differently. America didn’t love us. America tolerated us.”
By the summer of that year, Byron’s mother and father separated. He and his mother then decided to visit family in Los Angeles.
Carolyn had given birth to Byron 17 days after her 17th birthday.
“No one was betting on a Black teenage girl and a Black baby boy born in 1961, without any civil rights, accomplishing much of anything,” he recalls.
But Carolyn had big dreams for herself as well as her son. Two weeks in Los Angeles turned into a lifetime. For the first several years they slept on sofas and floors, switching houses and schools, thanks to family and friends. Byron was happy; he didn’t mind the instability as he was always with his mother. He accompanied her to every job.
“She was working at the Salvation Army, passing out goods to folks who were less fortunate than us,” he says.
Believing education is the key to success, Carolyn wanted to go to college. She was admitted to UCLA, something Byron describes as “probably the most dramatic thing that changed our lives.”
After graduating, Carolyn went on to receive her master’s degree in cinema and television production from UCLA, despite the numerous financial and discriminatory challenges she faced. The first was supporting herself and her son while attending school full time.
Byron vividly recalls overhearing a conversation between his extended family and his mother. “You can’t financially afford Byron. You should give him up for adoption.”
Afraid of being taken from his mother, Byron, at the age of 11, walked to the nearby Ralphs supermarket and pleaded with the manager for a job as a “bag boy.” It didn’t work. Walking away, dejected, Byron noticed a lady bringing her shopping cart back from the parking lot to a machine and receiving a stamp worth a penny. He surveyed the entire parking lot. If he rounded up 100 carts, he’d get $1 worth of food to bring home to his mother.
“That was it. I created my first business … I’ll keep collecting the carts and putting them in the machine, $3 worth of food, then $5, every day after school. I had to keep hustling and grinding if I wanted to keep my mother,” he says.
One day, Carolyn discovered Byron needed critical medical care due to an infection in his leg. Rushing to Children’s Hospital Los Angeles (CHLA), she worried for his well-being and the costs of his medical treatment. The hospital saved his leg from amputation and never charged Carolyn for the service, a gesture imprinted in Byron’s heart.
Byron’s dreams for a better life continued. Always with an eye back to Detroit thanks to communications with his father, he fervently read all he could about the Industrial Revolution.
“I studied the great entrepreneurs … I noticed it was all these industrialists who were so wealthy, and they built these amazing businesses. Remember when my mom and grandmother showed me those homes? I wanted to have a beautiful home like that,” he recalls.
Eventually, Carolyn, with Byron in tow, went apartment hunting through UCLA’s housing department. But the sight of a Black woman and her Black son in the doorway resulted in a rejection. UCLA housing then sent over a white couple who were successful in renting that apartment. It was the first time Byron remembers experiencing discrimination.
Today, when asked about racism, Byron shares he knows it will always be present. But the way to handle it is to “make it work for you.” The resistance racism creates can break a person or make a person stronger. It’s what has made him what he is today. If he loses it all tomorrow, he feels he could build it back even better.
Discrimination didn’t discourage Carolyn, either. While in graduate school, when she was declined for employment at NBC, she pushed harder, despite her financial circumstances, and asked if they had an internship program where she could work for free.
Byron adds, “When they said no, she asked the most important question that changed our lives forever. ‘Will you please start one with me?’”
The “yes” she received taught Byron the power of believing, of being persistent and to “always go that next step.”
Decades later, when Byron was honored with a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame next to Johnny Carson’s star, he shared the credit with his mom. “This is not my star; this is our star,” he said.
As Carolyn progressed from NBC page to NBC publicist, responsible for getting magazine covers for their television shows, Byron was given entry into the world of unimaginable possibilities.
“While visiting my mom at NBC, I’m watching the network multi-purpose sets, and the cameramen gear up and focus. I’m watching the grips, and all the cable guys [put on the television shows]. I’m watching the executives negotiate with the producers, and the producers interact with the talent. It was a symphony,” he says.
Everyone came to know Byron as Carolyn’s son, a self-sufficient, friendly, respectful young teenager, enthralled by the workings of the television industry.
“I’m watching Johnny Carson tape ‘The Tonight Show.’ Then I would walk across the hall and watch Redd Foxx tape ‘Sanford and Son’… Flip Wilson tape his show with Richard Pryor, Bob Hope do his specials. Dean Martin do his. I’m watching the local news, an unknown weatherman, Pat Sajak, and an unknown sportscaster, Bryant Gumbel.”
Byron knew he was in a special place: not a car factory, a television factory. He was most intrigued by the comedy division within the factory, for himself.
“I knocked on the door of this comedian on the ‘Gladys Knight Show’ in the summer of ’75 and asked, ‘Sir, how do I become a comedian like you?’ It was Gabe Kaplan, and he told me, ‘Go to the Comedy Store, and don’t forget to watch “Welcome Back, Kotter,” my new sitcom.’”
Byron called the “store” and asked the price of the jokes. The voice on the phone, Comedy Store owner Mitzi Shore, laughed and said, “This is a comedy club. We don’t sell jokes here.” Persistent, Byron showed up at 9 a.m. the next day and convinced the owner, despite his young age of 14, that he deserved five minutes on the stage. Drawing on his experience, Byron used a “Sanford and Son” character doing stand-up. He was a hit.
Soon afterward, Byron received a call from Jimmie “JJ” Walker, considered the greatest stand-up comedian in America at the time, and the star of the sitcom “Good Times.” He asked if Byron wanted to join his writers meeting. Byron said he had to ask his mom.
“I heard this guy in the background say, ‘Hey, tell his mom not to worry, we’ll have cookies and milk for him.’ And then I heard another writer, Jay, say, ‘Oh, Dave, be nice. Just be nice.’”
Carolyn allowed Byron to attend the meeting at Jimmie’s apartment on Sunset Boulevard. When he arrived, sitting in the living room were several up-and-coming comedy writers/producers, including the writers he heard on the phone, Dave Letterman and Jay Leno. The group met regularly; Byron’s payment was $25 per joke.
“It was great. I was a paperboy for the Herald Examiner at the time. I had to throw two newspapers to make a penny. Two! I had to throw 5,000 newspapers to make 25 bucks. I told Jimmie, ‘A joke for 25 bucks? I’m good!’”

Back at NBC, Byron was laser-focused on learning from the master, Johnny Carson.
“I lived in that studio. They used it for ‘The Tonight Show’ from 5:30 to 6:30. Hundreds of people were in that studio [audience] then. By 7 o’clock, that studio was empty. No one, just me and the janitor.”
Byron would sit at Johnny’s desk, imagining. He would sit in the guest seat and stand on the star, Johnny’s mark on the floor for the monologue, and practice the monologue from the evening left up on the board. While the crew members welcomed his self-training at NBC, Byron continued fine-tuning his craft at various comedy clubs around Los Angeles. At age 18, four years after his first stand-up routine, he received the official call from Johnny’s producer inviting the Fairfax High School student to be a guest on “The Tonight Show.”
He was the youngest comedian to ever appear on the show.
“When I was standing behind the curtain ready to go on, I was joking with the stagehands. I had my back to the curtain. They were laughing with me, and all of a sudden, they got really serious. Johnny Carson had come to the curtain and said to me, ‘Don’t worry, son. You’re going to knock ’em dead.’”
A powerhouse in comedy, Johnny Carson had opened the door for Byron and many other comedians like him. As a result, Byron created the half-hour comedy talk show, “Comics Unleashed.” The show, hosted by Byron himself, is still on the air after 19 seasons and has featured more than 550 comedians, including Cedric the Entertainer, Margaret Cho, Tiffany Haddish, Chelsea Handler, Kevin Hart, Gabriel Iglesias, Leslie Jones, Natasha Leggero, Jon Lovitz, Whitney Cummings, Howie Mandel, Nate Bargatze, Billy Gardell, Sebastian Maniscalco and Sinbad.

Moments before our press time, CBS announced that beginning on Sept. 22 of this year, “Comics Unleashed With Byron Allen” will take over the network’s 12:30 a.m. time slot. Episodes will then air Monday through Friday, with the series also available to stream live on Paramount+. “‘Comics Unleashed’ is a true passion for me, simply because this world can never have enough laughter,” Allen said. Executive produced by himself, Carolyn Folks and Jennifer Lucas, he added, “I created this show so that the best comedians can all come together and help bring non-stop laughter.”
Johnny was delighted with Byron’s premiere performance. Ironically, he incorporated Beverly Hills and Beverly Hills High School in his monologue. Jolene Schlatter, too, was impressed and raved about Byron to her TV producer husband, George Schlatter. It immediately landed Byron the position as co-host of the Schlatter’s new NBC hit show “Real People,” a forerunner to today’s reality TV.
Byron attacked his new position with a vengeance, interviewing people, learning how to tell compelling human-interest stories, and earning national visibility and credibility. He also studied how the weekly shows were created, marketed and monetized from the industry experts. But it was after a humbling experience in renegotiating his contract that Byron realized being a performer wasn’t going to be his ticket to success.
“Only I can determine my worth, and no one else. I just want to work for myself. And I haven’t worked for anybody else since ‘Real People’ ended in 1984,” he says.
Believing ownership was the only path to true influence and generational wealth, he began to understand how creation, distribution, syndication and advertising were the engines powering television. While he loved performing comedy, he had an insatiable desire to succeed in the business side of “show.” At the age of 19, he attended his first of 44 consecutive National Association of Television Program Executives (NATPE) annual conferences.
There, he met the kingpins of syndicated television, Roger and Michael King, as well as Al Masini, the pioneering producer of “Entertainment Tonight,” “Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous,” “Solid Gold” and “Star Search.” At NATPE every year, Byron sat in on sales meetings and watched the professionals sell their shows in syndication. Masini recognized Byron’s aspirational spirit and took him under his wing, mentoring him like the son he never had.
In the summer of 1993, with fire in his belly, Byron started his own business. From his dining room, he used his telephone to communicate all over America and ignite energy around producing low-cost, advertiser-friendly shows for television stations that needed content. Producing his first show, “Entertainers with Byron Allen,” a forerunner to podcasts, he created a barter model with himself and friends as talent. He offered the show for free to the stations and kept the ad revenue, maximizing his resources and profits. Grabbing the concept from the industrialists, he vertically integrated.

“I controlled everything from A to Z. I would create the show. Then I would produce the show. Let’s talk about Rockefeller. He would pull the oil out of the ground. He would send it to his refineries to refine it. Then he would put it on trucks and send it to the gas station. Then he would put it in the gas tank, put the cash in the cash register and hit repeat. He was vertically integrating. He never passed it off. He did everything from A to Z.”
Similarly, Byron would create and produce the television show. He would give it directly to the television stations for free. He did not go to the networks but instead went to each individual station in America and sold the advertising himself. But he needed more content. Turning to one of Masini’s trailblazing formulas, Byron copied the content of one medium and converted it into another. Masini had created his revolutionary television programs from radio shows.
“So, I took the magazine stands and converted them into television shows. People are always going to be interested in beautiful homes … That’s Architectural Digest. They’re always going to be interested in cars, travel, food.”
Today, AMG owns ten 24-hour HD television networks, including THE WEATHER CHANNEL, COMEDY.TV, RECIPE.TV, CARS.TV, ES.TV, MYDESTINATION.TV AND JUSTICECENTRAL.TV. Producing television shows in an assembly-line way, each network is supplied with content that would have been found in magazines.
One of his biggest lessons was when a distributor stole Byron’s money, the final step to having complete control.
“That’s when I realized I had to go directly to the consumer, directly to the stations myself … and now I can do all the shows I want. That’s where the desire comes from, to creatively express myself, to make people laugh, to entertain audiences, to put a smile on their faces. It’s always coming from a good place.”
Byron believes his best training for the media business originates from understanding what the audience wants.
He stated in the press, “When you stand on a stage, and you perform in front of a live audience, and you get a reaction every five seconds—or you don’t—that is the best training that you could possibly have in the media business.”
In the process of building his empire, in April 2001, he met a beautiful television producer, Jennifer Lucas, at a restaurant club. After a five-year courtship and producing many television shows under Byron’s company umbrella, Byron proposed to Jennifer on Christmas Day. They were married on Sept. 1, 2007, at the Hotel Bel-Air. Soon, the family blossomed with the arrival of daughters Chloe and Olivia and son Lucas.
“I don’t try and push anything on my kids. I want to see what they discover and let them find their passion naturally. As a father, I just want them to be happy, healthy and not worry. I did enough worrying for all of them … Jennifer’s an amazing person. She’s my best friend. She’s absolutely fantastic. I got really lucky. Great mom, great wife, great family. I am truly blessed.”
In 2018, Byron‘s media company bought The Weather Channel, an American television network with the OTT streaming service, Local Now, which provides localized weather, news and traffic updates. After the acquisition, AMG transitioned Local Now to a free-to-access model, expanding its content with news, lifestyle and entertainment programming.
“Weather is a big business, a huge business. When you buy a company, you also get the intellectual capital. We gained a great deal of intellectual capital, platforms, software, technology. It put us in the news business in a big way, an important news business.”
Because of climate change, The Weather Channel is the number one most trusted news brand in America.
“Climate change has killed more people than all the wars combined throughout history. Climate change and global warming are very real. Everything is extreme: extreme heat, extreme cold, extreme wind, extreme wet, extreme dry. Weather is usually the number one or number two story in the newscast every day.”
Byron stated that the acquisition was the most important moment in his media company.
“As an African American, I think I broke a barrier … As an entrepreneur, it was the Jackie Robinson moment. As a Black man, I didn’t have to just do businesses that were focused on Black people, play in just the Negro leagues of baseball. I was able to now do something that was general market, and it was the major leagues … I’m one of one, a global entrepreneur, not an entrepreneur who only focuses on Black content.”
Yet his highly rated, video-centric community news platform devoted to providing African Americans with compelling stories and perspectives currently underrepresented in existing national news outlets, The Grio, is one of AMG’s most successful platforms, with more than 100 million annual visitors.
Byron is not shy in using his earned media mogul status to help influence by means of the truth, a concept he learned from Martin Luther King Jr.’s wife.
“Coretta Scott King was a friend of mine. I always wanted to look at Martin Luther King Jr. through her eyes. And I learned a lot talking to her. She was the one who said, ‘Our greatest weapon is the truth. Always bring the truth.’”
Byron has also made a point of giving back in meaningful ways. He has never forgotten the free medical care he received as a child from CHLA. Today, he is not only a member of the CHLA’s Board of Trustees, but he has also raised millions for the institution through the Allen Media Group’s Oscar Gala. The event, first launched in 2017, has featured performances by the likes of Toni Braxton, Babyface, Jamie Foxx, John Legend, Maroon 5, Katy Perry and Diana Ross.
He has prominently supported the Race to Erase MS Foundation, which is dedicated to the treatment and ultimate cure of multiple sclerosis (MS). He hosted the National Multiple Sclerosis Society’s annual “Dinner of Champions” for over 20 years, raising more than $50 million for MS research and awareness. And in the fall of 2023, Byron received the Visionary Award from Jeffrey Katzenberg at the Visionary Ball in support of the UCLA Department of Neurosurgery. The event was hosted by good friends Jay Leno and Howie Mandel, with a special performance by Smokey Robinson.
In recent years, he has also recognized the importance of investing in education.

“Education is what makes the country its very best. If everybody’s educated, everybody’s engaged, and everybody is a part of the economic fiber of America, then America can’t be any better … It’s an investment in the future. It’s an investment in all of us … Spelman, [one of] 107 historically Black colleges and universities … is named after Rockefeller’s wife’s maiden name, Spelman. It’s an all-female school … funded by the wealthiest family in the world at the time.”
Recognizing the current HBCUs’ financial challenges, Byron stepped in to help with an ingenious sports media business opportunity. In 2021, his company founded the HBCU Go streaming network.
“I saw that these schools were not able to really produce and distribute their sports content and monetize it the way it should be. I wanted to help so I stepped in. There’s approximately 4,000 sporting events, and we control 95% of them. The business has grown by triple digits. We’ve only had it for three years, and the revenue keeps going straight up like a rocket. The athletes are extraordinary. These historically Black colleges and universities have created numerous Hall of Famers.”
Byron also used his influential media platform to help educate in February 2023. Six months before Oct. 7 and the horrific killings and kidnappings in Israel, Byron was honored with the inaugural “Legendary Honor” award from the African American Student Union at Harvard Business School. Selected for his transformative impact on the media industry and his advocacy for economic inclusion, Byron took this opportunity to speak to the students about the African American community owing the Jewish community a huge debt of gratitude, especially during the Civil Rights Movement. In his speech Byron said, “They’ve marched with us, stood with us, and they had a similar plight in how they’ve been treated.”
“I knew I had all these bright kids from Harvard … I was sensing and feeling the antisemitism back then … I was feeling it was increasing. I said, ‘I just want to give you [the students] the facts. I want to give you what really happened, and I need you to understand what’s happening now. I want to share a story about Madison Grant, the young man who went to Columbia Law School, who wrote a book in 1916 called “The Passing of the Great Race, Keep America White and Pure.” He’s upset about immigration, the Jews coming in from Europe. A young man reads this book and says, ‘This is the greatest book I’ve ever read.’ That young man was Adolf Hitler. So, not only did we create this racism and this antisemitism, we exported it all the way to Europe, and it came back as the Holocaust. You [the students] need to understand how it ties together.’”

When asked about the business challenges of today, as a trailblazing leader, Byron reflects on his lessons learned.
“Business is a contact sport. We’re having major contact right now. We’re getting hit hard. It is what it is. Get up and get back in the huddle.”
The football analogy sheds light on two attempted transactions Byron made in 2022. He announced his intention to bid for the Denver Broncos. Then again, in November of that same year, there were reports he was assembling an investor group to pursue the purchase of the Washington Commanders. While neither bid resulted in ownership, Allen has expressed ongoing interest in acquiring an NFL team and continues to be a prominent figure in discussions about diversifying NFL ownership.
In addition, the media widely reported that Byron made a significant bid to acquire Paramount Global in early 2024. His company, Allen Media Group, submitted a $14.3 billion offer to purchase all outstanding shares of Paramount Global. Including debt, the total value of the proposal was approximately $30 billion.
“We want to grow organically. We would like to acquire companies that work seamlessly with the assets we already have. Our preference is digital. That’s the fastest-growing section in media,” he says.
He believes that streaming is everything. Local Now, the technology to bring local news, weather, sports and traffic via the web, is the biggest platform they have going forward. Being free and laden with content downloaded in seconds makes it “unstoppable.”
“Linear [cable and over-the-air broadcast] has its headwinds,” he says.
Byron claims that people are cutting the cord, but it will never go away.
“Nothing ever goes away. It’s always additive. Everything gets bigger, and it’s more textured and layered. I haven’t seen anything replace a platform for the most part. Here are your movies, here’s radio, here’s television, here’s streaming … At the end of the day, I’ve always been impressed with Walt Disney. The technology has morphed in many different ways, but the mouse has stayed consistent.”
Mickey Mouse is the very valuable content.
“You can have a beautiful car, but it doesn’t mean anything unless you can put gas in it. The content is the gas or electricity … No one cares about the technology until there’s content that they can connect with.”
In examining his leadership STYLE, I ended the interview by asking him to complete the sentence, “I lead with ______?” Upon hearing the Dalai Lama said he leads with “listening,” and Nelson Mandela said he leads “by following,” Byron Allen said, “I lead with commitment. It’s the word before success.”